I reconnected with an old friend recently via the miracle of internet and email. It had been 30 years since we had last spoken.
Her name is Margaret, but I always called her Madge, and sometimes, Midge. Back in the early 80’s, when we both attended the same college, Madge was the resident Bohemian eccentric avante-garde dance major. She was a deeply spiritual woman, with piercing green eyes and long flowing chestnut brown hair, just like Boticelli’s Venus.
I looked up to her, and loved to make her laugh. There were some good memories.
The other day I noticed her email address listed in a tiny sidebar of the monthly e-alumni update, announcing some theatre production she was involved with.
In a moment of reminiscent weakness, I shot off an email that said “MADGE! It’s me, BJ Moore! I’m married and living in Pennsylvania with two beautiful daughters. What are you up to?”
Midge responded right away with a message typed in a huge 56-font blue that said, “BJ MOORE! !!! I AM TRULY PSYCHED TO HEAR FROM YOU!”
Turns out Madge is a hard-core Catholic, which I respect, because I do not feel hard-core anything at the moment. Sometimes I wish my core was harder, and I envy those who are able to fully engage in their faith with relentless passion and a rock solid conviction, no questions asked.
She described her life and her job, and then started talking to me like I was still that fervent, starry-eyed, evangelizing young man in college, ready to drop everything and lead a bible study at a moment’s notice. “How is your walk with God?” she asked.
To be honest, my walk with God has felt more like an exhausting trek through Canyons National Park; an arid rock jungle-maze of dead-end canyons, death-defying cliffs, and very few vantage points to scout landmarks for points of reference - but every once in a while there is a breathtaking view.
I have changed so much since college that I didn’t know where to begin. But I didn’t want Madge to think that I had abandoned my faith, either. Because I haven’t. It’s just, well, different than when I was nineteen. So I responded with the only thing I could think of.
“Well, Madge, a lot has happened since college. But I can safely say that the two constants in my life since 1981 have been Jesus and Joni Mitchell.”
This made perfect sense to me, and I thought it would be somehow reassuring to Midge since she was also a big Joni fan then, and obviously a huge Jesus fan now.
I have always loved Joni Mitchell’s music. Her layered and pensive songs captured some deeper longing in me from the time I first heard “Court and Spark” when I was thirteen years old. I own just about everything she’s ever recorded, and still listen frequently.
Of course Jesus is still very present in my life, too, but our relationship is different now from my college years. For instance, I don’t go running to Him every five seconds whining or double-checking or asking stupid questions in an immature ranting whirl of emotions. I guess I’m not so desperate anymore to have the exact right answers for everything.
I’ll confess that there were times in the last 30 years when I probably listened more to Joni than to Jesus. Jesus became more like an acquaintance, and old chum that I recognized when I ran into him. We’d chat about a few things, and then go about our business. He no longer seemed quite relevant to my daily activities.
Instead, I thought of Jesus more like an eccentric Uncle you see once in a while at family gatherings; you really love him deep down inside, but you cringe when you overhear him speaking to your friends in public, and you feel compelled to intervene. “Oh, that crazy Jesus! He said what? He sure is full of the dickens, isn’t he? He’s actually a great guy, once you get to know him.”
Why did I feel that way? Well, as my grown-up life unfolded, there were times when I really did start to think it all sounded a little crazy. I have endured more than my fair share of well-meaning folk who were leaning a little to heavily on their version of Christianity to explain away a lack of common sense or ability to think in more than one dimension. You know these people — they’re so giddy and hysterical about Jesus, constantly quoting scriptures with their air-tight answers to every situation, but they somehow can’t explain the outright psycho dysfunction that exists in their own lives. Or, they are so insulated in the incestuous Christian subculture that you can’t even have a normal conversation about life’s struggles without getting a one-line bible answer.
But despite this nagging cynicism, I always had this uncanny feeling that Jesus knew me. That He was the only one who really gets who I am, who totally accepts and loves me.
He’s the only one who knows what I’m supposed to be doing with my life.
I could not escape the powerful undertow of His call. Jesus kept pulling me into the flow of this spiritual current, then I would start paddling like heck against it, because I didn’t want to give in. For the longest time, it was like I couldn’t help myself from taking the path of most resistance, spiritually.
Thankfully, there were plenty of other men and women swimming in the current with me, inspiring and encouraging me to go with the God-flow- friends, mentors and authors who were more spiritually mature and emotionally sound, able to think more critically about life and God’s place in the mystery of it all. And as I talked with, listened to, or read the writings of these good people, I was drawn again to this awesome and terrifying idea of being a Christian.
Eventually, I realized that I had to stop the furious flailing and fighting against the stream. I had to stop striving so hard to find a sense of purpose and peace of mind on my own. I just wanted to give in.
I am fifty years old now, and just beginning, slowly, to understand what it means to surrender to God.
Madge and I chatted for a while about Jesus, and then turned the conversation to Joni Mitchell’s latest album, and how she has abandoned the idealistic lyrics of her youth. I didn’t say anything, but I am oddly comforted by the fact that Joni has gotten quite a bit more cranky as she’s aged.
Post by Bradley J. Moore.
Photo by nAncY. Used with permission.






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Wonderful post, Brad. I like Joni lots, too. I made a mistake and gave away all my albums (as in records), then had to replace them with CDs.
Maybe Joni’s just idealistically cranky or crankily idealistic. Either way, I still like listening to her (and I’m a bit older than you).
I gave away all my albums too. Replaced ‘em all with CDs, though!
Yes, I think she’s crankily idealistic.
I love the ending of this piece. How you rooted it in the beginning, with a twist.
Maybe that is something of a picture of faith too. Our endings are rooted in our beginnings, but we shouldn’t be surprised (and maybe should even welcome) the twist.
The circle of life, or something like that? The thing is, our beginnings have such an impression and impact on everything that follows, so it is only natural that we keep coming back to it. If nothing else, just to compare notes.
My favorite line: “I guess I’m not so desperate anymore to have the exact right answers for everything.” I love that, because in college it’s about getting the right answers on those tests; in life it’s all about the journey and the glimpses of God we get on the rocky path.
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yes
i really like this
and i must say, i totally approve of the image match with the story.
hauntinging bittersweet lovely good left me in mid air floating along a beach riding
Yes, I thought you might “get” how the photo goes with the whole Joni/reminiscent/existential/grace thing.
Thanks for this one, it’s a real beauty.
Brad,
I too have been musing on how my faith has changed so much from my college days. I have less surety now, but more trust, if that makes sense. I too loathe the vapid interchanges that seem to pass for Christian conversation these days, mostly because, I think, that’s the way I too saw the world at one time. I love the way you put it, “I could not escape the powerful undertow of His call.” The call to go deeper, to be submerged, to be carried along, is frightening and exhilarating. Just like His love.
Rupert
Beautiful, Rupert.
Less surety and more trust.. That is exactly how I feel. I’m right there with you in that current!
I knew Joni before I knew Jesus.. but Jesus knows me better than Joni ever will!
Great post!
I recently found some old school chums. Those years of my life following high school were pretty complicated and when people ask me questions to catch up, it’s really hard to know what to say except, “Alot has happened, but now I am happily married and we go on lots of adventures.” I am quite different than the girl who was in high school and different than the young adult making foolish decisions.
Great blog.
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That’s a nice, inviting response – “We go on lots of adventures”. It kind of covers a lot of ground, doesn’t it?
I envy those who are able to fully engage in their faith with relentless passion and a rock solid conviction, no questions asked.
I think that’s me. I don’t know if I’d envy it. “Passion” is a word thoroughly tied up with pain. There’s a high, high price tag on passion. Most of the time I’m glad to pay it. By the time eternity rolls around, I’ll surely be glad for the other times.
But not quite yet.
So true. Passion does have a price. And I’m content with paying it, but I can’t wait until Jesus returns.
it is our passion that draws the cry, “Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus…”
By the way, I have plenty of questions. The more I learn, the more inadequate I feel walking next to such a big God.
Part of the price for loving much is being forgiven much. It’s a hard thing to face the kind of sin that brings one to love much.
Really, it’s how I felt in the moment as she was asking me (or it felt more like testing me) on my “walk with God.” It was like I had changed so much, but she was exactly the same as I left her 30 years ago. I wasn’t sure who was better off, her or me. My experiences had taken me away from God, and then back in a different kind of faith-walk… while her’s seemed to be the same. It caused me to question my spiritual life, basically. But in the end, I’d rather have gone through the difficult faith journey and have came out the other side.
I’ve been thinking about that word, “passion.” I must have some level of passion for my faith, because, look at me. I’m writing about it and examining it constantly! That doesn’t come from an empty well…
Brad,
I’ve wondered if I possibly gave you the wrong impression by agreeing with you too quickly. Your passion does come through. It’s simply a different passion than people like me who wear it on our sleeve. I guess I’ve become accustomed in my personal life (less so in the blogsphere) to being seen as a bit of a Jesus fanatic. I consciously cooperate with God to give it all a thick covering of love, so that my fanaticism is palatable, hopefully even inviting.
When I’ve defined on my sidebar that I “flirted with the dark side” (or now, “languished in darkness,” so that the blog translator can handle it), I speak of a time of my life I don’t forget. To be redeemed from it would be enough to compel unceasing gratitude. (I call it “Extreme Makeover, Soul Edition.”) But to be forgiven for it? I haven’t gotten over that. I hope I never, ever do. “Oh to grace how great a debtor daily I’m constrained to be.”
And without defining the pain involved with this particular brand of passion, that’s what I meant when I said I don’t know that I’d envy it too quickly.
Thanks Anne, for sharing that part of your story. Redemption is truly a gift that can not be paid back, and your passion therefore is understood, appreciatied and embraced! Keep on, sister!
(ps ~ so i keep my eyes on eternity rather than the temporal )
Faith can be a walk through the canyons, it can be a walk through the fields of flowers, and it can be a walk through the desert. But even the desert has its beauty.
My faith, too, has a college connection — and what started as a very negative college connection — the discovery that I was being “prayed for” so that I would do something to promote a three-day rally by Josh McDowell. God had a different plan, though, and confounded everyone concerned, including McDowell, the Christians on campus and me. Especially me.
Good post, Brad. Joni Mitchell was after my time; for me, it was Carole King (and James Taylor and Don McLean).
Ah, yes, Josh McDowell. He was a big influence in my high school days. What was that book, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict?” It was all the rage. Now we need to hear your story in it’s entirety! You tease us too much here.
Carole King and James Taylor are also faves of mine too. Joni dated James for a while, so I don’t think they were too far apart chronologically!
I just love the pragmatism of your final line. I probably shouldn’t, but I do. Passion wanes and wanders at times, and it is there that we find our humble, that we are nothing and God is God, and we walk with Him grumpy and tired and ready for Home…
I really, really like this post.
Love how your words flow like a meandering stream. I really, really like your comment.
Is everyone going to laugh at me if I say, “Who’s Joni Mitchell?”
(Who’s Joni Mitchell?) Maybe I grew up more with the Motown or Earth, Wind & Fire crowd. Or, different decade.
But at least, Glynn, I do know who James Taylor is.
Anyway, Brad, I really enjoyed reading this post. It gives me a pleasant glimpse of you.
Monica, Monica. Shameful! Really, I think Joni is the one who would fly off into a raging fit if she knew you had never heard of her. Check the website link in this post – she is really one of the formative singer-songwriters of our time. (Ever hear of “I’ve looked at clouds that way..”?).
Anyway, it’s never too late to get introduced to her music! I would start with Court and Spark…
What does it mean to fully surrender to God? I came into the Lord’s grasp only seven years ago and I surrendered at that time. But for me it hasn’t been a one-time hand-over of my life. In fact, I have re-surrendered over and over again. The more I read His Word and the more the Holy Spirit convicts me,the more I realize how much I still cling to what is earthly and not of His Kingdom. So, for me, surrendering is an ongoing process.
And we are never alone in our search for purpose and peace. Thank you for sharing these tough and tender moments of your reality with us.
That image of Nancy’s has been on my mind since I first saw it. Love it.
Blessings.
The heart of a simple country girl is strikingly similar to that of a little child, I think—both of them beautiful.
My post today was “Fear Not Surrender.” I closed with this line:
We surrender not as an enemy who has been vanquished, but as a bride who is beloved.
Ain’t that the truth. Surrender is never a one-time thing. Our faith -life is more of journey, a process, the unfolding and unraveling over days and years. Not once and done. God has somehow built that into the very fabric of our universe.
Bradley if you keep posting things like this, then the clamor for your book will become way too deafening to ignore. Great post! Passion is a curious thing – a rather elusive thing I think. I had the same kind of passion as you at college. Everything was so simple then – so black and white. The shades of gray have become more and more subtle as I’ve aged, suffered, and go to know people warts and all. I’ve had doubts – I have lots of them all the time. But curiously in all this God has got bigger, not smaller, my faith has grown stronger, not weaker, and my passion has got deeper – not always so obvious (thank God say most of my earlier friends) but more imbedded into every part of my life.
My friend, you’re talking about maturity. Your faith is amazingly evident in everything you write – even if you don’t use all the old evangelical jargon that we all used to hide behind when we didn’t really understand what we were talking about because we hadn’t really LIVED it yet.
One other comment – I love the kind of people you attract – there are some beautiful and very insightful comments on this blog – I scarcely dared to try to add …
Graham – How true, that God becomes bigger as we open ourselves up to doubts and questions, and learn how to embrace the mystery of our faith. It is truly a paradox, but does mark a measure of maturity, I think. The ability to live with the gray (rather than black and white) in our faith is not easy for everyone to grasp. But it sounds like you have learned something about this.
Thank you for your generous spirit.
I really like this. In my own life, I was saved at such a young age I really didn’t know what it was not to know Jesus. However, there came a time when I had to make faith my own. The “pat” answers didn’t satisfy. The doubts and questions nearly blotted out faith. I had to find my way back. I have found that surrender, absolute trust, is the heart of the matter for me. It is a life-long journey – sometimes leaping forward, other times sliding back.
Thank you so much for this.
Linda, you sum it up nicely – it is a life-long journey.
Do you even question that word “Saved” that you used? I do. I was also “saved” (several times, actually) in my youth, but I don’t use that word any more in reference to spiritual life. It is far too limited and time-constrained (in other words, it happens once, and you’re in). I think you are more accurate in talking about the ongoing journey and struggle of surrender and absolute trust.
I knew it would be good.
What you said about wishing your core harder…makes me think. Is that good? The hard-core? I don’t know. We grow and grow and grow. and when we stop, this is when we should worry.
One thing I know: I’ll never know all the answers. Not here. Not yet. Not now. So…
I’ll take the soft-core. The soft heart. I think you got it right, Bradley.
Thanks Laura. Soft core/soft heart. Yes, that sounds about right. I don’t want to be hard core either.
Thanks for sharing your heart. Gosh, you made me think back to my college faith. Things were much simpler then, I sometimes I wish that “core” was stronger. I also wonder what it would be like to run into a few “Madges” I knew back then……But one thing’s for sure — Jesus has been with me every step of the way. Funny how we change, but he doesn’t.
Yes, he is constant. Always. That, I know.
Thanks for the wonderful reflection on a couple of profound thinkers (Jesus is much more, of course, but you know what I mean). I had a copy of “Court & Spark” I played constantly my senior year of college. I’m not sure it had the influence on my life the Gospels do, but I loved listening to it nonetheless.
Yes! Another Joni fan! And I know exactly what you mean.
Oh yes, I do understand what you mean. When I was a little girl, I raised my hand for salvation every time the invitation was given. I’m not sure whether I was just making sure or trying to impress whoever was counting hands!
Christians who are real and can write. Now that’s a great combination.
Thanks for the honesty of this post.
Christians who are more concerned about being right, very often can’t write, and the result is harsh. Yours is full of the gentleness of the Spirit.
Thank you Ian. That was nice. I always worry that I will get picked apart, or criticized for being so open about my doubts and questions. But around here, people just gather around and listen. Everyone has their own journey, and being real far outweighs the fluff of living a life spiritually unexamined.
Bradly- good piece. Nice to see some honest feelings expressed. I suppose I would veer more on the obnoxious biblical answer for every question as I’ve spent more years of my life outside of Christianity than inside. There is a comfort in knowing and truely believing in an absolute truth and not just throwing around opinions that may or may not help. I have gotten more savvy at offering these answers in a less obvious way.
The surrender, been thinking about this a lot. It’s a strange walk we have a Christians, one foot of strength the other of surrender.
I was obsessed with Joni and deeply influenced by her during my high-school and early university years (1980-86). I discovered “For the Roses” and then “Ladies of the Canyon” in the Folky section of the public library and was smitten.
I can still be filled with the same angst, longing, and beautiful misery that were characteristic of those years just by playing one of those early albums today. Joni encouraged my dissatisfaction and self-preoccupation, she approved my moving man-to-man in search of validation. She normalized serial sexual relationships, and made the sadness of the one-night-stand into beautiful poetry.
She acknowledged Christianity as an option: “some turn to Jesus, and some turn to heroin”. But I can’t say that she drew me any closer to Jesus.
Joni’s favourite topic is herself and her formidable artistic ability. Her best paintings are self-portraits. Is this the reason that listening to her music draws me back into the anguished narcissism of my younger years? Or is this always the effect of listening to the music of our youth?
I’m 44 years old now, and have by no means grown beyond the temptations of my youth–especially the temptation for self-absorption. But I’m learning that Jesus is not only beautiful, but he’s true. I’m praying that he will continue to correct and re-align my aesthetics, so that I will see this more clearly.
Thanks for the opportunity to consider these things.
Nancy – this is a very interesting take on Joni’s music. I agree with almost everything you say here – the narcissm, the self-preoccupation, the unsettled angst… but isn’t that what makes it great art? The fact that we all go through those longings/unsettled/relationship stuff? Yeah, sure, it’s all representative of a deeper spiritual vaccum that should ideally filled by the Holy Spirit, but – honestly? I am never completely “fulfilled” as a Christian, either. I still appreciate those lyrics that reflect bouts of disatsifaction and even depression, because that is reflective of humanity. It’s our condition. Thank God we are redeemed, but I still fully respect art that expresses this beautiful misery.
BTW, she has penned (in the 80’s and 90’s) some very interesting “Christian” songs. One based on 1 Cor 13, which she admits is the ultimate description of love. Another based on the story of Zaccheus in the tree.
And, yeah, I probably wouldn’t like Joni if I met her in person either. She knows she’s a genius, and just seems more and more pissed off all the time. (but I do love her work!)
Bradley, thanks for sharing this story. I think there are a lot of us out there who were iron-clad and unmoveable in our youth, and now we have a heavy load of doubts to go wtih our faith. But like Susan said, even though we change, Jesus doesn’t. That’s what I hold ont0. And Joni, James, and Carole make a wonderful life soundtrack. Throw in some Beatles, a lot of cheesy 80’s music, some U2–and I could dance all my doubts away!
Bradley,
I really enjoyed the honesty in your post and related to most of it. I say “most” as I had no idea who Joni Mitchell was? I thought you might enjoy that.
Thanks and keep up the great work,
Nick
Nick. Dude. I am going to have to take you and Monica (who also confessed to ignorance regarding Ms. Mitchell) out behind the artist woodshed for a good music-spanking.
But really, that’ s all right if you missed out on Joni, just because you are 15 years younger than me. Joni was to the 70’s what Suzanne Vega was to the 80’s.
What? You don’t know who Suzanne Vega is?
Shame, Nick. You were probably busy listening to Bon Jovi.